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Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen, wassalatu wassalamu ala rasoolillahi sallallahu alayhi wasallam amabaad. Ustad Abdur Rahman Hassan, salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
Wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. JazakAllah khairan for joining me once again on the Hotseat podcast. Last time we were here, we discussed the topic of homosexuality and navigating through the LGBTQ movement within the religion of Islam.
One of the things that came up through that podcast, naturally, was the issue of living amongst the non-Muslims in the West. And it was actually one of your proposed solutions to deal with the topic in its entirety, was to leave. And that's why today what I thought would be relevant would be to discuss the topic of is hijrah obligatory? So the question that I want us to answer together is not whether hijrah is a good thing, it's whether it is obligatory upon the Muslims.
And I'd really like to focus our conversation around that point in particular. I want to start again by giving you the floor and allow you to open the conversation the way you deem fit. Alhamdulillah rabbil alameen, lahu alhamdul hasan, wa thana ul jameel, wa ashhadu an la ilaha illallah wahdahu la sharika lah, yaqulul haqqa wa huwa yahdi al sabeel, wa ashhadu anna muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluh, salallahu alayhi wa ala alihi wa ashabihi, wa attabi'ina lahum bi ihsanin ila yawmi al deen amma ba'd.
Before I go into speaking about ujub al hijrah min biladi al kufri, migrating and leaving the lands of the disbelievers and migrating to the land of the believers, I want to inshallah ta'ala talk about something very important that's connected to the concept of hijrah. And that is the concept known as al wala wal baraa, love and hate, association and disassociation. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala gave a description for the believers, whether they be male believers or female believers.
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said, the believing men and the believing women are ba'duhum awliya'u ba'd. Some of them are allies to the other, they are allies to one another. They are to each other guardians and they are protecting friends to one another.
Allah is describing us with that description. They call each other to the good and they prohibit one another from the evil. They establish the prayer and they give the zakat and they obey Allah and His messenger.
Allah says these are the ones who Allah is going to bestow upon them His mercy. Verily Allah is aziz. When He wants something to happen, it will happen the way He wants it to happen.
Hakim, wise. So Allah is almighty and all-wise. The beginning of that verse, it says the believers, both men and women, are what to one another.
They are guardians, they are also allies and they are protecting friends. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala warned us from giving that characteristics, that traits, that quality to the non-Muslims. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the Qur'an, O you believers, Allah is talking to the believers, do not take the disbelievers as allies instead of the believers.
And then Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said, Do you want to give Allah a solid proof against you, for Him to punish you? Also Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala referred to it as hypocrisy, to give this quality of allying, taking close friends, protecting friends, guardians to the non-Muslims. Give good news of a painful punishment to the hypocrites. What is the reason? Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said, They chose disbelievers as allies instead of the believers.
And then Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said, Are they seeking honour and protection and power? Are they seeking that besides the believers? Is that what they are looking for? Then Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said, Verily, all honour and power belongs to Allah. The honour that they are looking for, the power that they are looking for, they can get that from Allah and their brothers and their sisters in faith. Why would they look for it in the non-Muslims? If you ponder that last part of the verse, where Allah says, عندهم العزة.
Are they looking for honour and power from the non-Muslims? The majority or a large quantity of the people who have gone to the lands of the disbelievers, they've gone there to get honour, power. Power and honour comes in different forms and shapes. Sometimes it could be through money and etc.
People going there. أَيَا بَتَغُونَ عِنْدَهُمُ الْعِزَّةِ Are you looking for honour? There's no harm in trying to get money from those lands and that's not my argument. But what I'm saying is that if that is in the cost, that you're losing your religion, you're losing your faith and your Iman, definitely you'll fall under this ayah.
And that's a big if that we need to discuss. If that is the case, that people who go there are definitely going to lose their Iman, their religion. I want to dissect this introduction a little bit and I think Al-Walaa wal-Baraa deserves its own episode on its own.
But I do want to go into a little bit more detail in terms of this word Awliya which came up in many of the ayat that you recited. What does that mean exactly? The word Awliya has many many meanings. That's why whenever I was translating the verse I kept saying allies, guardians, protecting friends, giving victory, aiding, supporting.
All of these meanings, the word Awliya has those meanings. For example, the ayah يَا إِلَّذِينَ عَمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا أَمَا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاءً مِّن دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ Here it means do not take the non-Muslims, the disbelievers as your allies. Whereas Allah when he says وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتَ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ Here it means they are guardians for one another.
And they are protecting friends for one another. So that meaning of the word Awliya is a very general meaning. And Hijra is a form from the forms of Al-Walaa wal-Baraa.
What do you mean by that exactly? The word Al-Walaa wal-Baraa is a very general term. It comes in different forms, different ways. Hundreds of different forms fall under Walaa.
They are all not the same ruling. But remaining in the lands of the disbelievers when you can't implement your religion, staying with them, the scholars they add it to the chapter of Al-Walaa wal-Baraa. It falls under that concept of association and disassociation, loving and hating.
And that's hence why I chose to speak about that as an introduction before we even go to the concept of Hijra. Because this concept of Al-Walaa wal-Baraa is what's died out in many Muslims' hearts. Many Muslims don't have it.
And with that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala He mentioned, He says, لا يَتَّخِذُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ They do not take. The believers don't do this. It's not a trait of the believers.
That they take what? يَتَّخِذُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ That the believing man takes an ally as a disbelieving man. Allah then says وَمَن يَفْعَل ذَلِكَ And anyone who does this, who takes the non-Muslims as allies, protecting friends, guardians, Allah says فَلَيْسَ مِنَ He has nothing to hope for from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. أَنْ لَسْ إِلَّا أَنْ تَتَّقُوا مِنْهُمْ تُقَى The exception here given is that you are being precaution against their tyranny.
And if you're doing it because they put you under duress and they coerced you, then you're forced to fall under this with them. And then Allah says وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَ And Allah warns you about Himself وَإِلَىٰ اللَّهِ الْمَصِير And everyone is going to be finally returning to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. I just want to mention one particular hadith.
The Messenger ﷺ after the battle of Khaibar, the Prophet ﷺ appointed the Noble Companion Abdullah ibn Rawaha to go and divide and make sure the dividing of the crops were done correctly. The Jews and the believers that the crops were done correctly. So the Prophet ﷺ he delegated this responsibility to the Noble Companion Abdullah ibn Rawaha.
He said go and you check if these people are doing a good job in dividing the crops fairly. The Jews they thought deeply about this issue and so what they did is they tried to bribe Abdullah ibn Rawaha. They said to him we're going to give you, rather they collected the jewellery from their women and they bought it to him.
And they said this is for you, from now onwards don't look at when we scale and we bring you the measurement. Don't double check it. Just turn a blind eye basically.
So they bribed him. And Abdullah ibn Rawaha he responded he said O Jews, you are the most hated people to me. I hate you guys so much.
You guys have killed the Prophets. The Prophets of Allah you killed them. And you have lied about Allah.
And my hate for you will not in any way shape or form make me be unjust towards you. I will not deal with you in an unjust way. So again us hating them doesn't mean that we're going to oppress them.
We're going to wrong them. We're going to harm them. It doesn't mean that.
It just means this is a creedal thing for us. You guys have disbelieved in Allah. You have lied about the Prophet ﷺ and insulted him.
You have disbelieved in Allah. But our hate for you will not make us do anything unjustly towards you. And Imam Malik narrated that in his Muwatta in Kitabul Musaqat.
Ahmad narrated it in his Musnad. Basically he's acting upon the ayah. وَلَا يَجْرِ مَنَّكُمْ شَنَآءَنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَىٰ أَنْ لَا تَعَدِلُوا إِعْدِلُهُ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى So Allah Ta'ala He says وَلَا يَجْرِ مَنَّكُمْ شَنَآءَنُ قَوْمٍ An animosity that you have for people or a hate that you have for people.
Do not let it stop you from being just towards them. I think that's a really good introduction and I appreciate that. To bring it back to the matter at hand and the topic that we're discussing today.
Just like you said now, our hatred as you put it, our hatred for the non-Muslims doesn't stop us from being unjust to them. My argument would be it also doesn't stop us from co-existing with them, living in a society with them. And the reason for that is because we've seen it at the time of the Prophet ﷺ. We also see it in the land of the Muslims now.
It's not like there's a country on the face of the earth that's only of Muslims. There are non-believers there as well and we all co-exist. And I don't particularly really see the relevance of just having hatred for someone.
It doesn't mean I have to leave their land. Why can't I co-exist with them? What I want you to understand is that we've seen it. You've lived in the UK.
I've also lived in the UK. When we go to these countries, we stay with them. These verses that we're talking about, these verses are clear cut.
They are nusus which are muhkama, crystal clear texts. These texts will generally be abandoned and dismissed. In other words, you go to school.
You work with Mike and Steve, John or Daniel. He's a colleague at work. Some sort of love will go into the heart of yours towards him.
By the way, this man who believes in Allah, he doesn't believe in your Prophet to be a true Prophet sent from Allah. How does your heart give you? Again, it doesn't mean when we say that you do not love these people, it doesn't mean we hurt them. It doesn't mean we insult them.
It doesn't mean we're unjust towards them. It means I cannot come to love someone who Allah and his Messenger are not their first priority. But you're acting like the alternative solution is to be in a land where you don't have to interact with non-Muslims at all.
And that's not the reality either. We also live in a Muslim country right now, Alhamdulillah. Before we go into the concept of whether we go to the land, whether we're going to find a land where we can.
My first point that I want to stress on is that this happens, that these ayats that I recited, these nusus that I read, you can't generally implement it. I had a class one time I was teaching and it was a group of students of mine and what's his name? Stephen Hawkins passed away and I did a khutbah on this issue. I spoke about it and I was informing the Muslims that we have to understand if a person dies as a non-Muslim, we don't say rest in peace.
We also have to understand that the ayats and the verses in the Quran are crystal clear that the non-Muslims are not going to go to Jannah and etc. So I had a class before that Friday khutbah and I was informing them that this is what my khutbah is going to be about. I was honestly taken aback when I found bright students of mine in that class who have been studying with me for a very good time when I opened up to them and they also they opened up to me and started to discuss these issues with me.
They said look I have friends in my class you know I've got fulan and fulan and fulan and fulan in my class and these people are very nice to me. They're named non-Muslim people. They're very nice to me.
They care for me. I love them. Why do I care about their religion? What's the problem with their religion? They can believe what they want.
In other words this Muslim sister or this Muslim brother, the concept of turheed, the oneness of Allah, Allah being worshipped alone in the face of this earth, the sin that he has, the earth is about to crack because of that statement. And it's big to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala to be said that he has a child. Imagine the one who doesn't even believe Allah exists subhanahu wa ta'ala.
Those people, can they say that turheed will settle in their heart properly? Will they come with these ayahs that we recited? يَا إِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا بِطَانَةً مِّن دُونِكُمْ And the word bitana by the way, it means do not take an intimate sincere friend. That's what the word bitana means. Allah says that subhanahu wa ta'ala that do not take them as sincere friends, revealing to them your secret thoughts.
These people they talk to them, socialize on them, with them in groups. So before we even go into the concept of hijra or not, the concept of alwala wal bara, within the lands of the non-Muslims and coexisting with them, staying with them, it weakens this concept. Allah says, وَلَا تُطْعِ الْكَافِرِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ وَدَعَ عَدَاهُمْ وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ وَكِيْلًا Allah says do not yield to the disbelievers and the hypocrites.
Overlook their annoyance and put your trust in Allah, for Allah is sufficient as a trustee over our affairs. And Imam Al-Alusi commented on that verse and it really touched me, ponder here. And Imam Al-Alusi he said, نَهَى عَن مُدَارَاتِهِمْ فِي أَمْرِ الدَّعْوَةِ He said the ayah, وَلَا تُطْعِ الْكَافِرِينَ do not obey the disbelievers.
Allah is telling Nabila Muhammad in Makkah, do not obey the disbelievers who are requesting for you to stop preaching. Allah says وَلَا تُطْعِ الْكَافِرِينَ and don't obey them. وَالْمُنَافِقِينَ and don't obey the hypocrites.
وَدَعَ عَدَاهُمْ Overlook their annoyance and what they're doing to you, rely on Allah. Allah is enough for you Muhammad. Imam Al-Alusi he's saying نَهَى عَن مُدَارَاتِهِمْ The Prophet was prohibited from trying to please them in leaving off what they want him to leave off.
فِي أَمْرِ الدَّعْوَةِ وَلِينِ الْجَانِبِ They wanted him to be soft towards them. فِي التَّبْلِيغِ وَالْمُسَامَحَةِ فِي الْإِنْذَارِ They were like, Muhammad, look, your message is a bit too strong. It's too hard.
Soften it and weaken it for us. I know people in my university that I studied in, my school, we wouldn't preach to these people. We all know like, you know, it's long, let's not do that.
They didn't believe what they want. Not only that, we feel pressured into hiding even our, some people who are practicing have to hide their salah and they don't come out to do it in public or they don't say, look, bro, I need to go to pray. Even the ones who pray, they don't.
So there's all of those factors before we even go to the concept of hijrah that's there. Okay, my last question on the issue of al-wala wal-bara before we move on to the topic of hijrah in a bit more detail. And what I'm trying to do is separate your personal experiences.
Like you said, I had some students that told me I had this, I experienced this in university. Just because you've had these experiences doesn't mean that the whole of the UK is like this as you, I'm sure you'd admit. My question is, do you think that maybe based on your personal experiences, you're taking this a bit extreme in the sense that there are obviously different levels of love.
You love your family, your mother in another way, your wife in another way, your friends in another way. Love is of different types. And just, it doesn't mean you don't have to take disbelief as an intimate, close, loving friend, advisor, sincere advisor.
You don't have to do that. But at the same time, it doesn't mean you jump on the other end of the spectrum and say, I cannot live in the same country as these guys. That for me is like jumping from one extreme to another.
Surely there's a middle path that can be achieved here. So now this moves us swiftly onto another point, which is the concept of hijrah. Um, which is somebody might say, okay, you know, all those verses that you spoke about, I agree, but I can be in a land where I lived with, live with these people, but I have hate for them.
I don't like them. I say that is at the time that we're living in today is very, very hard to claim that. And the concept of, because the, the, the Western countries now are working towards assimilating the Muslims with the non-Muslims.
They're not, you see, there's the concept of, integration and assimilation. A lot of Muslims believe I just, you know, integrate with society. I, you know, I do my part in society.
I have my beliefs. They have their beliefs. I don't necessarily have to agree with them.
They don't have to agree with me. But that's not the case anymore. It was maybe many years back, but right now it's become a different story.
Now it's about assimilating with society. They're forcing you, they're forcing you to accept the British values. Even they don't have a, got a definition for what British values are, but they're imposing onto you saying that you have to accept the British values.
And Muslims are being put in situations where they're asked, are you a Muslim first or you're a British first? But these are easy questions to answer. I'm a Muslim first. Like what's the issue? But that's you not being loyal to the country that you claim to be from.
You see, that's what Muslims are now. By saying that statement, you're a foreigner from us now. Again, that's very extreme.
That's what I'm saying. Like there's extreme thoughts going around your head about the way the UK is. For example, when I know many Muslims, and again, I don't want to talk about my personal experience, but there are many Muslims who live in the UK, have a nine to five job.
They go to the masjid, Maghrib, Isha, Fajr. They're practicing their religion. And I think that's really where the crux of the issue is.
Because you mentioned this before, hijra becomes obligatory if you are unable to practice your religion. Is that understanding correct? Yeah, yeah. Okay.
What's the evidence for that, first of all? Okay, let me now take a step back and then I'll come back to your question without dismissing your question. First of all, we have the concept known as hijra. What does hijra actually mean? And Imam ibn al-Arabi al-Maliki, Rahim Allah, defined the term hijra.
He said that hijra means, first of all, if I go into that definition of Ibn al-Arabi, hijra is three, first of all, because whatever type we're talking about, the definition is going to be for that. So there's three types of hijra. There's hijra of amalus-su.
You do hijra from evil action, which we did in our previous podcast. We spoke about the concept of innovation once. We spoke about the issue of, we spoke about homosexuality in our last podcast.
So these are evil actions that we need to boycott and stay away from. That's a type of hijra. The second type of hijra is hijra to balad al-su.
Migrating from an evil land. Just so you know, Allah is the one who created this land, this world that we're in, and parts of it, Allah virtued a part over another part. And in the world, the earth is not all the same to Allah.
But in that, Imam Muslim narrated in Sahih bin Hadith Abu Hurairah, أحب البلاد إلى الله مساجدها وأبغض البلاد إلى الله أسواقها that the most beloved places to Allah on this earth is the masajids. And the most hated places to Allah is the markets. So one can't say, how's that fair? Allah created the whole entire world.
How can Allah chooses? وَرَبُّكَ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاءُ وَيَاخْتَارُ He chose land. This place is better than this place. And this place is better than the place.
The third type of hijra is hijra to ashab al-su. Migrating and leaving and staying away from evil people. And the evidence for that is وَصْبِرْ نَفْسَكَ مِعَ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُمْ بِالْغَادَاتِ وَالْعَشِي يُرِيدُونَ وَجَاءً Be patient with the righteous people.
And be with the righteous people. And all the evidences that talk about befriending the righteous people. المَرُوءَ عَلَى دِينِ خَلِيلِهِ The persons of the religion of his friends.
So look at who you take as a friend. All of those evidences apply. But we here are going to be speaking about two types of hijra.
And that is hijra to balad al-su. Migrating from the evil land and also migrating from the people who are evil. Ibn al-Arabi explained what it means to do hijra from an evil land.
Or to do hijra. He said hijra means the type of hijra we are talking about is from the land. He said that type is called al-hijra to balad al-su.
هي الخروج من دار الحرب إلى دار الإسلام. It is to leave the land of the disbelievers. By the way دار الحرب is referred to as كل بقعة.
It is every part of the earth where أحكام الكفر فيها مظاهرة. Where the rulings of the non-Muslims is apparent. It's not a state of war.
دار الحرب. No, no. It is not necessarily.
What does حرب mean? It is used as دار الحرب because the Muslims, if they don't have a covenant with you and you are not paying money. So there is no ahad written for you. And there is also not a, you are not paying the money that you need to be paying.
There is no contract. And there is no money being paid. Then the only third option is دار الحرب.
Whether there is an actual حرب going on or not بغض النظر. If it is not a contract between the two lands or there isn't one non-Muslim land that is not paying a fee and is not paying the money. Then it is considered to be دار الحرب.
A lot of people think دار الحرب only means when there is an ongoing fight between those two lands. No, not necessarily. It doesn't mean that.
So you do هجر from that land. You leave it and you walk away from it. To a land of Islam.
Ibn al-Arab al-Maliki carries on saying وَكَانَتْ فَرْضًا And it was an obligation في أهد النبي at the time of the Prophet ﷺ وَاستَمَرَّتْ بَعْدَهُ And it carried on لِمَنْ خَافَ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ The one who fears for himself. So this became an obligation to leave the evil land you are saying. Who said that? Ibn al-Arab al-Maliki.
But the Prophet ﷺ said لا هجرة بعد الفتح He clearly said there is no hijrah after the conquest of Mecca. I'd rather listen to him than Ibn al-Arab al-Maliki. The Prophet ﷺ when he said لا هجرة بعد الفتح ولكن جهاد ونية وإذا استنفرتم فانفروا or كما قال عليه الصلاة والسلام لا هجرة بعد الفتح means there is no hijrah after the conquest of Mecca.
To Mecca. From Mecca. Ok where are you getting this from Mecca for? You are just adding that into the narration.
The Prophet ﷺ is the same issue that you are saying. The Prophet ﷺ responded to it. The Prophet ﷺ said لا تنقطع الهجرة حتى تنقطع التوبة ولا تنقطع التوبة حتى تغرب الشمس من مغربها or كما قال عليه الصلاة والسلام The Prophet ﷺ said hijrah will not stop until the repentant stops.
And the repentant won't stop until the sun comes from the opposite direction. So why is it ناسخ المنصوخ that one came first and then the conquest of Mecca happened and then he came with this narration saying that there is no hijrah now. The scholars they say والجمع واجب المتى ما أمكن إلا فللأخير نصحي بوينة If we can bring the two evidences together that takes precedence over the concept of abrogation.
One says there is no hijrah and one says hijrah will never stop. There is a way to reconcile it. So this is the way to reconcile it.
We say لا هجرة بعد الفتح there is no hijrah after the conquest of Mecca from Mecca. There is no hijrah that someone needs to do from Mecca anymore لأنه صار دار الإسلام I mean Mecca has now become a land of Islam. It's considered now to be a Daru Islam.
The Muslims conquered it and took over it and now it's Daru Islam. So no one has to migrate from Mecca like they were before. But the hijrah is like consistent and it's forever going.
Also the great Imam Zakariya al-Ansari al-Shafi'i scholar in his Kitab Asna al-Mataalib He says تجيب الهجرة The hijrah is obligatory من دار الكفر from the land of disbelievers إلى دار الإسلام to the lands of the believers على مستطيع لها إن عجز عن إقارة دينه He mentioned two conditions that you asked. The one who has the ability and is unable to practice his religion So now here the question is Two conditions when they are present the hijrah becomes wajib meaning you are a sinner to stay in that land. The first one is you can't practice your religion.
The second one is you have the ability to leave that land of the disbelievers. Okay, let's go into that first condition. You are unable to practice your deen.
Beautiful. Places like China for example, the Muslims are being oppressed openly, they're being put in concentration camps. I agree with you.
That is a place where you are unable to practice the deen. But to put that on places like the UK and the US, where you can openly pray, you can fast, you can do all of your obligations, how are you now saying that it is obligatory to make hijrah from those places when it doesn't even meet the first condition? So what does it mean, the concept, or what does it mean, if you can show your religion, you can practice your religion, what does it mean? Great scholars have explained what it means. It means two things.
The first one is that you can symbolise, you can bring it to the open, the symbols of Islam in its totality, not portions of it. Like the adhan and the salah and the siyam. The adhan, I'll ask you now, can in the UK we do the adhan in the open? There are some masajids that can, yeah.
But in the whole entire UK? In the whole entire UK, no you can't. The masajids that can I only know of, maybe there can be other masajids, I'm not saying there isn't, but there's only one masjid I know in the UK that does it. East London masjid.
Do you know any other masjid? No I don't know any other. So we have in the entire United Kingdom for now, as much as me and you know, only one masjid that's basically open to do the adhan. That's considered sha'air, the symbols of Islam.
That's the biggest symbol. The Messenger of Allah ﷺ, he was never one who would wage war to a land or a people unless he heard the adhan from them. When he heard the adhan from them, he would then wage war on that land because it would be considered a land of the disbelievers.
Wait, he heard the adhan from them and then he'd wage war? He wouldn't. He wouldn't wage war, okay fine. So the Prophet ﷺ would listen to that land, he would wait if there's adhan done for salah.
If he realised that these people, they've done adhan for people, he wouldn't wage war on them. So the first symbol that implemented Islam is the adhan. Ponder here, we can't do it.
Whilst the church is over there, and by the way keeping in mind, the UK now is not a Christian country, it's a secular country. But the churches are allowed to still have their bells. Lakin the masjids don't.
Okay how does that affect anybody other than the mu'adhin? I'm a normal, I can go to bed, I can wear a thobe, I can live my life. No but you said that you can implement your religion. Yes I can implement my religion.
I don't care about the adhan being called, I can implement my religion. I'm not calling it the adhan. It's nothing to do with me implementing my religion.
I have a prayer timetable, I know when the prayer is, what's the need? You implementing your religion means that you can hear the adhan in the open. A land where you can't hear the adhan in, you can't hear it from the open, that land, I just said to you, is not a land where Islam can be practiced. So I live in a Muslim country and I'm living in the desert, there's no masjid near me, I can't hear the adhan in the open and suddenly I'm deficient in implementing my religion and I have to leave that part of a Muslim country which is Dar al-Kharab.
The Prophet told the Sahabi, he said if you go to the desert and you're alone, the Prophet said you do the adhan. I can do that in my house and you can. But that's my point.
You're doing an analogy with two situations which are totally different. Why? A person who's in the desert who has no other way and no one's stopping him, do the adhan, it's your choice. If you want to get a microphone, shout it if you want, scream if you want, no one's stopping you.
They're in a masjid where it's told, it's built for the sake of Allah, constructed, constructed sorry, for people to pray, they're told you can't have your adhans loud. Sheikh Ibn Baz was asked, it wasn't just him, it was Lejna Daima, a question was put to them from the United Kingdom. The question was Sheikh we live in a land, the UK, it's a non-Muslim country and we do not have the adhan loud.
Are we sinners for that or are we not? They were expecting you're a sinner or you're not a sinner. That's what they were expecting. They were not expecting any other answer from the Sheikh.
By the way, the Ulema are not just Ibn Baz. It was actually Ibn Baz, Abu Bakr Abu Zaid, Sheikh Saleh Al Fawzi, the members of the Lejna. The fatwa came back to them as what? You staying in that land in the UK is wrong.
Sheikh Ibn Baz was a noble scholar but with all due respect to him and the other scholars that are part of the Lejna, they don't know the reality of the West and that's part of the issue. They're trying to give a fatwa about a region, a place in the world that they don't really know the reality of it. What reality does he need to know, Sheikh Ibn Baz, about whether this land is a land of Islam or a land of disbelief? Is it different from what the Prophet went through in Mecca than the Muslims that are living in the West right now? I'll give you an example of what context can do.
If you're going to go down the route of the Ulema, you're going to fall into trouble because there are other scholars who actually visited the UK and for them, they obviously have more knowledge of the UK than someone who's never visited the UK. That's just common sense. Sheikh Saleh Al Suhaimi, for example, he visited the UK and he told the people do not make hijrah.
Stay here. It's fine. I would much rather listen to him who's actually got experience of visiting the UK, seeing the UK, walking on the UK, than someone who's never been to the UK.
That just makes sense and that's a scholar that you affirm is a Salafi scholar, someone you look up to, someone you respect. So why are you going to pick and choose your scholars now? Okay, the point I first want to speak about is the issue of knowing whether you should do hijrah from a land or not. The scholars already, Sheikh Abu Rabaz or Sheikh Bakr Abu Zaid or Sheikh Saleh Al Fawzan or any other scholar, them having to travel to the UK is not a masalah you could use as an argument.
The point being, it's not an issue that changes over time. There are issues that you're right, I would say, you know what, fair enough. This particular issue, the tasawwur of the masalah, it needs more.
The scholar hasn't seen it. He needs more perception of it. But Sheikh Abu Rabaz was put to him a question from the first simbol as a Muslim, after he said there is no god but Allah and there is no can't be done loud.
He already, from there, he knows that Islam cannot be put. Islam is not present. But Sheikh Saleh also knew that and he ruled otherwise.
So how do you reconcile that? So what we say is that if great scholars, people of knowledge have a discussion on an issue, we say no one person's statement is a hujjah, proof. Sheikh Abu Rabaz, if he says something, we look into it, we agree with it, if it's in line with evidences or not. I'm now going to ask you.
The scholars are unanimously in agreement. By the way, this ijma' was transmitted, so ijma' is different. Abdul Latif, Ishaq, both who are the children of Abdul Rahman ibn Hassan, Hamad ibn Atiq, Muhammad ibn Ibrahim, Abdul Rahman Nasir al-Saadi, Ibn Katheer transmitted the ijma' as well.
Also, al-Badruddin al-Ayni transmitted the ijma' that if a person cannot symbolize Islam, that that land, you can't show your religion in that land, it falls under not being able to implement your religion. Look, they transmitted a consensus. The question here is practicing your religion is a very broad statement.
The question before that is how do you know if this ijma' but Sheikh Salih al-Sukhaimi doesn't know of this ijma'? How did that happen? I cannot speak for what the Sheikh understands. I cannot speak on what the Sheikh knows or not. Again, it's not my responsibility.
I'm not the only one by the way, you know that right? I thought when the man came to the UK as well. So I'm not enforced to, I'm personally not enforced to follow an opinion of a scholar merely because he gave that fatwa. That's important for you to understand.
His kalam is not a hujjah. Kalam al-ulamai yuhtaju la wala yuhtaju biha. Sheikh Ibn Ubaid's kalam is not a hujjah in and within itself.
I agree. Wala Sheikh Salih al-Sukhaimi, wala Sheikh Fauzan, wala ghairuhum. Other than them, I agree.
What I'm saying to you here, we have an ijma' pay attention here. We have a consensus from those scholars I mentioned like Abdul Latif Ibn Abd al-Rahman Ibn Hassan al-Sheikh. We have Ishaq Ibn Abd al-Rahman Ibn Hassan al-Sheikh.
We have Muhammad Ibn Atiq. We have Muhammad Ibrahim al-Ishaq. We have Abd al-Rahman Nasir al-Said.
We have Ibn Kathir and we have Badruddin al-Ayni. All of whom said the first condition where hijrah becomes obligatory is adamul qudrati ala idhari deen. They all transmitted a unanimous agreement.
Sheikh Salih al-Sukhaimi or somebody else said this land you can still stay here. We say practicing Islam is still not present here. Why is it not present here? Because the first thing that determines a land to be a land where Islam is practiced or not is the adhan.
That's the first thing. Like sha'airul Islam. The first sha'ira of Islam is the adhan.
I'm going to come to all the other points that prove that Islam is Muslims can't even practice. But I don't want this one to be taken very lightly. There are many other points I can bring but those are the the proof is on the side of those scholars who have said.
Are you sure they're talking about the adhan out loud not just the adhan in the masjid. Someone proclaiming the adhan in the masjid is still. I just said to you lejna daima by the way don't just give a fatwa like that.
They revise an issue. They get researchers to send them detailed research. Lejna daima are not just ulama that have come together.
The verdict it's considered official. Government stated. It's legalized.
But regards of their fatwa I'm talking about Ijma. No but I'm saying to you ministers countries don't just you know countries don't just pass laws. They revise this issue the consequences but they've got lawmakers they've got all of this in place.
These ulama don't just they don't just give a fatwa on UK and America and etc. There are people who bring these information to them deeply and I and you and I both know more than any alim who visits the UK that Islam cannot be fully practiced in these countries. That's qadiyah musallam.
Many examples I'll give you. By the way the second condition I didn't mention it which is Ibtaludin al-mushrikeen you've been able to speak against and condemn and critique the belief of the disbelievers whether it be their secular belief whether it be their religious beliefs. You can say you're wrong.
It's wrong. It goes against this. It goes against that in the Quran.
You can in places like the UK where they have the freedom of speech act. That's not an issue right? They've got that act written but when it comes to really boots on the ground are people actually feeling that freedom? No that's that's not that's not the truth. A lot of people are prevented from saying certain things.
Masajid in the UK for example the charity commission will shut down the masjid. The charity approval of that masjid if there's a certain khatib who comes. He hasn't said anything violent by the way.
All he has said is that we Muslims believe this regarding maybe better than homosexuals or feminists. We believe this regarding this or we believe the concept of or whatnot. But again you're talking about a very small percentage of people like the duaat the khatibs who are actually giving lectures but then take that ruling just because he's restricted in what he says for natural reasons like hate speech which obviously is not a good thing.
For reasons like that to generalize a ruling to the general normal person who is not required to be on the pulpit and say that he also has to leave the country that's like extremism. Don't you understand that the Muslims the Muslim community who are living in the UK they can't live without the duaat and the mashayikh who are giving da'wah for them who are reminding them of Allah and the day of judgment. If they're silenced so the people are just going to live their lives based on what they drink, what they eat, the income they make.
What about the life of this you know the life of their hearts and the iman the khutbah are important components for the community. They don't have to speak about those controversial topics but they can give reminders about the rest of Islam about good deeds, praying, fasting. They want to speak about all matters of religion.
Allah says enter Islam in its totality. I mean we don't speak about we believe some of the verses and we abandon the rest. We don't.
We explain Islam in all of its totality from beginning to end. We say everything. So you can't speak about their values.
Why are they right now pushing for people to assimilate? It will all become one. The whole concept of I believe this, you believe that. Let's agree to disagree is what they're fighting against to be honest.
You know like I know we're going to go and I want to personally go into the issue of the Muslim countries a lot more because obviously if you're going to identify a problem you have to have a practical solution and I want to go into a lot more but just one thing that comes to mind right now. In the Muslim countries it's even harder to give dawah. You have to have all kinds of approvals.
You don't have this freedom of speech. For me isn't that more of an issue in a Muslim country where you're restricted in what you can say about calling to Allah and his deen than in a western country where you're open to give dawah as well. I disagree unequivocally with that.
I believe Muslim countries are more open for you to give dawah as long as your dawah is not causing violence. That's basically what the UK say. But that's not what it is.
Then their concept is Islam is the problem. It's a cancer in the community. I mean I can name so many different du'as who are not violent, who will never accept violence, who never kill or harm an innocent person, who would spend their time and their energy speaking extremism, fighting.
They are banned from particular places. They're told they can't do lectures here. I mean this is a haqiqa, a reality.
We know we've lived it. We've seen it. Okay so what you're saying is that the scholars are unanimously agreed that if you are unable to practice your religion it is obligatory to make hijrah and the definition of being unable to practice your religion breaks down into two.
Number one that you have to be able to show the symbols of Islam like the Adhan for example and number two that you have to be able to point out the falsehood of the non-Muslims in that country. And from your perspective countries like again let's leave countries like China to the side but you're actually saying countries like the UK and the US you're not even able to do either of these things. My question goes back to the person who is living as an average Jew or an average Muhammad in these countries.
I'm not required to call the Adhan out loud. Are you saying that I'm sinning for being in this country just because I can't hear the Adhan and I don't need to go on a minbar and talk about homosexuality but I can do this. I can pray.
I can fast. I can raise my children the right way. I can read Quran.
I'm not restricted in any of my acts of worship on the apparent and you're telling me that I still can't practice my deen. That's hard for me to swallow. The answer to that question of yours is in the statement of Allah.
Allah says Allah mentions in this verse a group of people who oppressed themselves the angels will take them and they will say to them What were you upon? What were you in? What's your story? The angels want to know why these people have ended up going to the hellfire. Why are you heading to the hellfire? So you know about the hellfire. You've not heard of the hellfire.
You know it's a very serious place. It's not something a person would want to go to. So what's your story? They say We were subjugated.
We were oppressed. We were wronged when we were in the earth. We were seen as a second-class citizen.
Then the angels would say Wasn't the land of Allah not vast so you can go and travel? Then Allah mentions Their final abode would be the hellfire and what an evil place for them to be. Allah gave them an exception A people who don't have the ability. Remember we mentioned you can't implement your religion and also you have the ability then you have to migrate.
The ones who don't have the ability the ayah mentions These ones inshallah Allah will forgive them Here I want to mention a point. Going back to your question. There was a reason why this verse came down.
And it was that a group of Muslims were living with the non-Muslims in Mecca. They did not migrate with the Prophet and his companions when they migrated from Mecca to Medina. They stayed in Mecca.
They remained in Mecca. So the battle of Badr happened and the non-Muslims said okay now you have to come with us. You guys have to come with us to fight Muhammad.
So they were forced and they were dragged to the battlefield. And they know that those are their brothers so they don't want to fight. But these Muslims who were with the Prophet whenever they threw their arrows it would then hit the chest of those Muslims because they wouldn't know who's who.
And then it would kill him. Here there is a mentioning of something which is a group of the Muslims They were increasing in the population of the non-Muslims. Doesn't that clearly show that this is an issue if the countries are going to go to war because you increase the army, you increase the number of the non-Muslims, and you're going to have to go on the battlefield to fight the Muslims.
But if that condition is taken out, there's no war, then what's the issue with living amongst them? Your argument would really be strong if the statement of Ibn Kathir on this ayah. Look what he said. Ibn Kathir says this ayah, this blessed verse is general.
Anyone who stays within the midst of the non-Muslims and has the ability to migrate And he's not able to establish his religion. This person is wronging himself. And he's doing a major sin by unanimous agreement.
There's no difference of opinion. All the madhabs believe this. There's no difference of opinion.
And then he said And also even this verse is evidence for us. حيث يقول تعالى Because Allah said إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّاهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ ظَالِمِ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَيْ بِتَرْكِ الْهِجْرَةِ They left the migration, not they partied. By the way, the ones who were dragged in the battlefield, they didn't want to fight.
They didn't want to fight. And they were not fighting. They were avoiding the fight.
The reason why the ayah is talking to is أَيْ بِتَرْكِ الْهِجْرَةِ قَالُوا فِي مَا كُنْتُمْ أَيْ لِمَا مَكَثْتُمْ هَا هُنَا وَتَرَكْتُمُ الْهِجْرَةِ Why did you remain in Mecca and you left of Hijra? Their response would be قَالُوا كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِي الْأَرْضِ We were weakened and we were أَيْ لَا نَقْدِرُ عَلَى الْقُرُوجِ We weren't even able to leave مِنَ الْبَلَدِ We couldn't leave the land وَلَا الذَّهَابِ فِي الْأَرْضِ Your final abode is the Hellfire They had the ability لَا نَقْدِرُ عَلَى الْقُرُوجِ It doesn't mean they didn't have the ability It means they preferred the dunya and the glamours of this dunya to stay over what? Over migrating and going through the hardship of returning آخي let's be honest Shahid Let's be frank and honest with one another The largest Muslim community in the UK are people who've come from either Pakistan, Somalia, Bangladesh, India, Africa etc The reverts that are in the country are very little in number The overwhelming majority of people can go back to their old countries Not always the case though That's not always the case Sometimes you're so deep-rooted in the UK You're a third generation Muslim in the UK You don't have any ties You don't have the ability to go back Shahid that's the same argument that the Prophet He stayed in Mecca for 53 years That's his city That's his land That's where he was born 53 years he lived in Mecca And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala commanded him to leave He told him go and leave And the first hijrah was not even to a Muslim country For the Prophet ﷺ was He went to Medina And what about the hijrah before that? Hijrah can be done to a place where you can practice your religion Even if it's a non-Muslim country But it's an area within that non-Muslim country You can practice That still counts So Birmingham for example Someone moves to Birmingham That's hijrah When I said that the UK you can't practice your religion And also the overwhelming majority of Western countries that we know of There might be exceptions here or there But the overwhelming majority of Western countries that I know of America, Canada, UK The concept of acting upon your religion Habibi, that's far-fetched It could be Birmingham which is the best By the way, Birmingham has the largest Muslim population in the UK Doesn't mean Islam is practiced You know what Birmingham is like Everyone's wearing a thawab Everyone's got a beard Niqab is everywhere I'm not denying there is symbols of Islam present in the UK See my argument here There's no way am I arguing that Islam is fully eradicated from the UK There's no sign of Islam I'm not saying that But I'm also saying on the flip side No one can claim that Islam is The symbols of Islam are present in the UK And that's what the condition was To stay in a land Sha'air ul-Islam have to be present That's what the ulama transmitted The Prophet ﷺ said in a hadith Hadith Samrat ibn Junduq Abu Dawood narrated it من جامع المشركين و ساكن معهم فإنه مثله That the person who stays with the mushrikeen Remains with the mushriks Then he's like them Like them here doesn't always mean he's a disbeliever Like them can vary Like the ayah يَا إِلَّذِينَ أَعْمَلُوا لَا تَتَخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضُ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِنْكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ It doesn't mean you're like them إن حكم قد يكون عقاب And the punishment you might be like them The Prophet freed himself Look at this The Prophet ﷺ he freed himself He said أَنَا بَرِئٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ I am free from every Muslim Who remains and stays within the non-Muslims قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ The Sahabas they said Oh Messenger of Allah لِمَا قَالَ لِمَا قَالَ The Prophet ﷺ said لَا تَرَآ نَارَهُمَا He gave a distance of how far they need to be from one another The fires of these two people shouldn't see each other And Imam Abu Dawood narrated it And Nisa'i narrated Shaykh Nasir Rahimullah authenticated it Hafidh ibn Hajar commented on this hadith أَنَا بَرِئٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ What does it literally mean? He says وَهَذَا مَحْمُولٌ There's a possibility Which is right Because of the Ijma' that we transmitted from Ibn Kathir عَلَى مَنْ لَمْ يَأْمَنْ عَلَى دِينِ It's the one who's not safe for his religion What's the most valuable thing that Muslims have today? They have their religion, right? If that religion of yours has been even questioned A small percentage of it's been questioned How can you still have the... Let's even say for the sake of arguments That it's not wajib And I'm saying it is wajib All my evidence that I provided is clear cut But what about... Why would you even be in a land? You know the ayah وَمَنْ يُهَاجِرْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يَجِدْ فِي الْأَرْضِ مُرَاغَمًا كَثِيرًا وَسَعًا وَمَنْ يَخْرُجْ مِنْ بَيْتِهِ مُهَاجِرًا إِلَى اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ يُدْرِكُمُ الْمُوتُ فَقَدْ وَقَى عَجُرُهُ عَلَى اللَّهِ Came down on a man He stayed in Makkah He remained in Makkah Old man And he's from إِلَّا الْمُسْتَضَعَفِينَ مِنَ الْرِجَالِ وَالنِّسَاءِ وَالْوِلْدَانِ الَّذِينَ لَا يَسْتَطِعُونَ حِيلَةً وَلَا يَهْدَدُونَ سَبِيلًا He's from the people who can't travel He's from old people So he's excused He was in Makkah He looked right He looked left He couldn't see Nabila and Muhammad He couldn't see Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman Couldn't see the senior sahabahs Couldn't see Burudatul Kufri Kufri being spoken about in all corners His heart couldn't accept it So he got his riding beast ready He mounted on it And he went Until he came to the middle of the desert When he was not close to Makkah And nor was he close to Medina Death came close to him The man looked up He looked up into the sky He hit one hand onto the other hand And he said اللهم هذه بيعت لك Oh Allah this is a pledge of allegiance to you And then he hit his hand on his The two hands together again And he said This is a pledge of allegiance to your prophet Muhammad Who I haven't reached And then فوقع على الارض بيتاً He fell on the earth and he died And then the ayah came down وَمَن يَخْلُجُ مِن بَيْتِهِ مُهَاجِرًا Anyone who leaves his house Migrating for the sake of Allah And then what happens to him ثُمَّ يُدْرِكُهُ الْمَوْتِ Death comes to him فَقَدْ وَقَعْ أَجْرُهُ عَلَى اللَّهِ The reward is written for him The scholars they said The reward is written Is not mentioned here The reason why it's not mentioned Is because Allah is saying I'm the one who's given it And I'm not going to give something very simple or little I'm going to give I'm Allah My treasures don't end So what I mean is that Even the way that the sahabas thought The mind thinking process Was totally different from the way we think Yeah but not all of them Because some of them did remain in Mecca right? Even the ones who remained in Mecca Were they sinning? Even the ones who stayed in Mecca When they found out When they found out رضي الله تعالى عنهم What they lost out And what they went through And what they did to themselves By staying in Mecca That's when the ayah came down إِنَّمَا أَمْوَالُكُمْ وَأُولَادُكُمْ فِتْنًا وَاللَّهُ عِنْدَهُ أَجْلٌ عَظِيمٌ And they even tried They got angry And they were going to harm their children And they Because of their children they remained And the fear of their children They were about to harm their children And Allah instructed them Said don't harm your children Don't cause your family any problem But they regretted it later But the companions where we take our religion from It clearly shows it's not a clear cut issue If they had اختلاف between them Which what do you mean? Some companions made hijrah Some didn't If it was obligatory like you're saying And you're making it so clear cut I'm saying ability A lot of the sahabas They had the ability right? They just chose not to I can't speak for every single companion I haven't revised every situation of every companion But you just said they regretted it And they wanted to even harm their children Because that's the reason they stayed Whether but it could be because of Even because they didn't take the recommended version of it The obligation Like the old man who finally couldn't take it anymore He felt like he couldn't stay here Even if I have the rukhsah I still can't do this You see For example There's a rukhsah today right now COVID-19 Some people pray at home Because they believe that they go to the masjids I mean there's a verdict and a fatwa of some scholars That you don't even have to go to the masjid Okay that being said That being said Some people can't Their iman doesn't allow them I'm still gonna go to the masjid I'm still gonna pray in the masjid I'm not gonna miss a What's so fascinating is that The prophet he said in a hadith Ibn Hibban narrated Shaykh Nasir authenticated it The prophet said لا يقبل الله من مشرك أشرك بعدما أسلم عملاً حتى يفارق المشركين إلى المسلمين The prophet he said Allah does not accept an action of a disbeliever Who committed shirk He was a mushrik لا يقبل الله من مشرك أشرك A person was a mushrik He did shirk And then he took islam Allah will not accept his action Unless he leaves the land of the disbelievers And Ibn Hibban narrated Shaykh Nasir authenticated Ibn Ubaid Not only just that The messenger reached a point where he would give The conditions of bay'ah was You're gonna migrate from the Nile zone to the non-muslims Abu Nukhailat al-Bajali He said قال جرير أتيت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم جرير بن عبد الله البجلي He said I came to the prophet وهو يبايع He was giving pledge of allegiance فقلت I said يا رسول الله أبصد يدك Oh messenger of Allah Open your hand حتى أبايعك So I can give you pledge of allegiance واشترط عليه The prophet conditioned on me He said to me أبايعك على أن تعبد الله That I give the pledge of allegiance Is that you worship Allah وتقيم الصلاة You pray the salah وتؤتي الزكاة And you give the zakat وتناصح المسلمين And you're a sincere advisor for the muslims وتفارق المشركين And you separate yourself from the disbelievers You leave their land You walk away from it And Imam al-Nasai narrated that These are scary ayat and hadith For people who are living in the west right now You're talking about the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم Freeing himself from people You're talking about deeds not being accepted You're talking about people being driven to the hellfire Are you now saying That the 2.6, 2.7 million muslims in the UK The 3.5 million muslims in the US You got just between those two countries now You're looking at about 6, 5, 6 million muslims Excluding the rest in Europe and other non-muslim countries You're saying now You're sitting here and saying now On camera That those people who have the ability to leave Which obviously you exclude some of them But not all of them They are sinning every single day they're there And they are at risk that their deeds are not going to be accepted The prophet is going to free himself from them Allah is going to throw them into hellfire Is that what you're saying? I'm saying Any muslim who has the ability Has the ability to migrate The concept of whether Islam can be established or not We already know that We don't need to hear it from them We already know that in these western countries You cannot Ya'ani If hard with deen establishing your religion is not there The second which is the concept of ability or not Everyone can speak for himself Anyone who knows That they have the ability to migrate Go to their home country Where they originate from Where they will be open hand People their community and their families Are ready to take them back in And stays in the lands of the muslims He's earthen He's sinning by remaining in that land By the way Every single day Every single day that he stays in that land He's sinning Keep in mind We are talking about This discussion all this time What I was talking about Is a man staying in these countries The story changes when it's a mother and kids Different game Different What do you mean? How does it change? When you raise children in that mist now Now it gets worse We were all those evidences We're talking about sahaba Jaleel Baabdaz One person The prophet is giving a pledge of this Come to me Now the story changes When you have left your muslim country And you ran to the lands of the non-muslims And you brought your children here And you raise your children in this land And you've given your children to them Antony and Samantha are nurturing your daughter Zahra, Amina, Aisha They're nurturing your children for you Wallahi you're going to be questioned Yawm al-Qiyamah Because Allah says in the Quran يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَأَهْلِكُمْ نَارًا وَقُودُهَا النَّاسُ وَالْحِضَارَةُ عَلَيْهَا مَلَٰئِكَةٌ غِلَاظٌ شِدَادٌ لَا يَعْصُونَ اللَّهَ مَا أَمَرَهُمْ وَيَفْعَلُونَ مَا يُؤْمَرُونَ The verse Allah says Those of you who believe Protect yourselves and your families from the hellfire By taking your children to them Wallahi you're not protecting your akhira Or your children's akhira You are giving your children to who? To the enemies who are going to Destroy your child's mindset and thinking Why? Why are these Why are the muslim communities staying in these countries for? Why are they remaining here? The reason for it is Darahim and Dirham Not necessarily There's another reason for it And you brought many ahadith Many ayat to support your argument I want to bring one of my own Okay And this hadith is found in Sahih of Imam Muslim The Prophet ﷺ said Whoever sees an evil Let him change it with his hand And if not Then let him change it with his tongue And if not Let him hate it in his heart And that is the weakest of iman The Prophet ﷺ actually linked The weakest of iman To just hating in his heart But leaving that And letting the evil take place Actually running away from it And leaving it Is even less than even just Being there and hating it with your heart How are you going to say now That the people who are staying here Are only doing it for the sake of money Why can't you make excuses for them and say Actually they want to change the country Because we agree That not everybody will be able to make hijrah There's always going to be people who fall into that verse Who are unable to Why can't we stay in the west Make it a better place Get politically actively involved Change the society So we're making it better for those Muslims Who have to remain there Because they have no choice I unequivocally disagree with that as well The reason is because Statistics shows the opposite That they're working more on you Than you're working on them They are changing you Than you changing them They're guiding you to misguidance Than you guiding them to guidance A research was done by Coventry University On the 25th of October 2019 A research was done This research showed That there are approximately 4,500 Muslim heritage children in care in Britain It's the UK Not any other country We can if I broadened my research And I looked at Europe for example Or I looked at America The statistics would be very high But Britain There are 4,500 Muslim heritage children in care in Britain These children are of Muslim Keep in mind these are Muslim children They've been taken from their families And their reason for this is that The child has gone through abuse and neglect Family breakdown A parent or child's illness or disability A lack of family support And then they say The vast majority are removed by social services On account of harm or profound risk of harm This child they're saying This child has been taken from his parents Maybe because she was forcing him To pray Salah at Fajr time Maybe because she was abusing him Rightly taken away from the mother Maybe If the mother was abusing the child In Islam For those that are Islamic Let's say she was abusing And she was not doing a good job In Islam In a Muslim country Who would most likely take care of that child? Another Muslim person So it's a win-win situation You're an abusive individual Listen to this This is the most shocking part The child was taken from the social services Took the child Take the child From that parent Because of their belief of course But by the way The act of harm And profound risk of harm Is nothing compared to what they describe it as How we Muslims understand it Now according to government figures There are 4560 So it's more than the Research by Coventry University Pay attention to this So since the removal of ethnicity From Children and Family Act 2014 was passed Social workers are no longer required By law To match religion and ethnicity When finding families for children In other words This child who's Ahmed He can be taken care of An LGBT family You've gone to such a small sample You have 4,500 kids I actually know right now A girl called Safiya She's been taken care of two men It's not a case It's not Again Again Again Look what we're talking about here Look we're talking about a ruling For everybody in the UK All the Muslims in the UK for example Even wider than that US, Europe And we've taken the sample size 4,500 people Who from them Some of them were taken away from their parents And from them Some of them went into A non-Muslim household Like you're talking about Really small sample size And using that to say Everyone's got to leave the country No I'm not saying anything By the way The honour of one Muslim is great to us Don't dismiss one child One Muslim child Who's taken by a non-Muslim It hurts our hearts Today Are you telling me right now If you saw online A mother crying I can Wallahi I can show you extensive videos In cases I've seen I've seen mothers coming to the masjid To break down Because she must have told of one child And all her other remaining children were taken Of course it would hurt But I don't base rulings on emotion I'm not going to then say Everybody has to leave the country now Because of my emotion I'm emotional I'm feeling like Oh wow that really hurts I'm not going to tell everyone to leave the country No I'm not Not necessary A one peculiar situation Did this happen But it gives you the understanding That you don't even own your own children You can't do tarbiyah of your children The way you see it fit This is what I'm coming to Look what the Prophet s.a.w. has said Let's be straight and frank with one another Our messenger said You said implementing Islam right Implementing Islam There's a hadith Abu Dawood narrated The Prophet s.a.w. he said مُرُّوا أَوْلَادَكُمْ بِالصَّلَاةِ وَهُمْ أَبْنَاءُ سَبْرِسِنِنَا Command your children The salah when they are seven years of age وَضِّرِبُوهُمْ عَلَيْهَا وَهُمْ أَبْنَاءُ عَشْرِنِ And discipline them When they are at the age of 10 Let me be even more frank with you The word it doesn't say discipline وَضِّرِبُوهُمْ means be them Just the other day Without no names mentioned Without no names mentioned A family was about to lose their child I don't want to tell you Someone very reliable to me told me A family member was about to lose their child And the social services had this hadith written on their case study of this whole situation Do you know what happened? The child just went to school He said to the other child something about My father will hit me if I do this The teacher called the social services They got involved They were ready to go home and take the entire children for math Now what I mean is that I am not in any way shape or form saying children can be beaten and destroyed And no that's not what I'm saying All I'm trying to say to you is that If a parent is not fit to take care of her child The 2014 act passed by the government States that you no longer You no longer have the rights to choose where that child goes And who looks care The whole community can come together And say we want the social services have their rights To say we don't want to give it to a Muslim family Depending on how the social services see it fit They have their This is a child your wife has been pregnant for nine months She's given birth His name is Abdullah And he's been raised by a non-Muslim The point I'm trying to say to you Your own child you can't control The Prophet told us in a hadith An Imam Muslim narrated He said If the children of Adam pass away Their actions are all disconnected except three A ongoing sadaqah that you give Will carry on your righteous deeds for you Or a knowledge that you have benefited Others which they benefited from You left behind beneficial knowledge for the people Or you left behind a noble child A righteous child that makes supplication and dua And invokes on Allah for you I'm saying these children Who were nurtured in this environment Islamic history Pay attention to this We've never seen anyone who changed Islamic history Who was nurtured by the non-Muslims Or who grew up in the midst of the non-Muslims We've never seen that Rather the Qa'ida is Anyone who grew up upon something Most likely turns out to be that The Prophet's parents were non-Muslims He changed the entire dunya He came from a family of non-Muslims His father We can go on and on The companions Many of them came from non-Muslim households Again How can you say that statement? Again the Prophet was a total exception of this situation Because he's guided by Allah And he was chosen by Allah And by the way He wasn't nurtured by his mother or father None of them nurtured him They both died when the Prophet was young His father died when he was in his mother's womb And his mother died when he was only six years of age So the Prophet keep it in mind That the world that we're talking about today Again this is another point That you just reminded me Which is The West is not a conflict Or a clash of just religion It's not It's also a clash of morality There were things that they held on to Even though they were idol worshippers They called on to other than Allah Which was a clash of religion There were things that they held on to Which were good morals They also had bad morals Like burying their daughters alive I'm not dismissing that UK also have good morals No but UK It's the same situation Yeah but this is my point The West today We have an issue of morality and dignity issue against them For example homosexuality It's an issue of morality It's an issue of religion No put religion aside A Christian who has not got a religion in our eyes Will say to you this is despicable It's abhorrent No we don't accept it Because it's religion tells them There are secular people who come up to you today Who don't believe in religion Don't believe in God Who will say this act just does not make sense It's filthy to me It's an issue of fitrah As we previously mentioned in our podcast Now your child is in a land His suluk gets destroyed His morality is killed And also what? His religion killed him I just want to show you how scary it is There was a brother in the UK Who had a child His child is literally mental So he takes his child They inject him They give him medicine His father holds him down Almost the child's going to destroy things And jump around His child is insane So he went to the doctors To visit the doctor Sat in front of the doctor And the doctor So the father's holding his son Just doesn't want this time to get a needle Or jump out of the window Or destroy something So he's holding him down The doctor says let him go He goes what do you mean If I let him go He's not I'm his brain basically I'm the one who holds him down He goes no You think this is Africa? What do you think you are? He's a free man He can choose what he wants We're at that level of You know Okay You brought some very strong arguments I want to go back to my question And let me rephrase it in perhaps a better way The hadith I quoted About whoever sees an evil Let him change it with his hand With his tongue Hit it in his heart The prophets have never said Whoever sees an evil run away That's my point He said change it Let's stay here and change it Let's work on this society The overwhelming majority of Muslims The hadith of مَرَّأَ مِنْكُمْ مُنْكَرً فَرِوَيِّرُوا بِيَدِي فَإِلَّمْ يَسْطَطِعْ فَبِالْإِسَانِ فَإِلَّمْ يَسْطَطِعْ فَبِقَلْبِهُ وَذَلِكَ أَضْعَفُ الْإِيمَانِ The overwhelming majority of Muslims In the UK Are not learned enough To even identify What is a munkar or not You're talking about laymen You're talking at general mass That's what I said to you initially A more fruitful discussion would be Can the duaat طالبة العلم Go to these western countries To give dawah Let's talk about that then That would be a discussion And a point to look at لكن الداعي To take his family His children And to live in these countries There's a kitab I just as a side benefit I want to encourage people to read There's a sheikh His name is Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdillah al-Surayl He was the khatib And he was the imam And the khatib of masjid al-haram And he was also Urdu He was a member of the The committee of the senior scholars In Saudi Arabia And he's also the khatib And the imam of masjid al-haram By the way when That time when the so-called False Mahdi Was taking over the Kaaba He was actually the man Leading the prayer Who had to be taken out of the masjid With a hijab To cover him And take him out It was Sheikh Muhammad al-Surayl Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdillah al-Surayl Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdillah al-Surayl Has a kitab called It's a very important book I think it's worth reading He talks about The ruling of taking citizenship From a country that is not Muslim He breaks this issue down And he brings it back To the first point That we were talking about The issue of We think right now We actually think That why are they not allowing us To practice our religion The way we want Why are they questioning Our you know Method of disciplining our children Is because of the fact That they believe They've given your children Citizenships They're the ones Who educate your children Some large number of Muslim Somali Pakistani Whatever ethnicity they are Government gives them A handout Hands out Hand out And gives them money All of this Gives them the entitlement Of wanting to feel like They have rights to choose For your children What they can or can't do So telling me That Ra'a means a person Who can see the munkar And they can stop it Yeah I'm talking about People Who are saying What's wrong with the non-Muslims Why does a non-Muslim Have to go to the hellfire No that's not everyone That's not fair Because I'm saying Talking about people Who might see pubs in the UK People drinking They know alcohol is munkar They know it's wrong So they can't change it With their hands They don't have the ability But at the very least They can work on something together Try and rectify this Is it fair to say that They're running away Is it fair to say Is it fair to say Like I sometimes you know Some things are just Well there's a poet said It's not befitting for the mind If the if the sun needs proof That sun over there I have to prove it to you So it can be seen In the UK You and I both know The largest Largest Crime rate That's taking place right now Is done by who? The Muslims The Muslims Yeah I mean I don't know about largest But yeah What munkar are they gonna What munkar are they gonna Disproportionate What the largest Is the Muslim community Okay what munkar Are they going to stop? They can stop The things like alcohol They can't even stop Their own children I know these statements I'm going to say Is going to probably offend Some people But I had a conversation With one guy Who was an extremist Was a right wing Who believed I mean Muslims are here To take over the UK I said you think high of us man So you really think high of us man To think that we We want to take over the UK We can't even take over Our own households Parents are Wallahi I went to Canada And I was very emotional When I went to Canada I for the first time I saw with my own two eyes I haven't seen that in the UK By the way I saw in Canada Kids carrying cartons of alcohol On the lift Going home And their mother Has reached a level Where she sets In the fridge A section for him Muslims Muslims Somali mothers Setting a part of the fridge And saying to them This section is yours Put your alcohol here And when I spoke to that mother I said why are you doing that She said I prefer that He does it here Than he does it outside Because someone's going to murder him Someone's going to kill him He's on the streets I might as well just Tell him have it But in your room Come out Take it She locks the fridge for him The point is that The communities The Muslim communities The way that they have become I'll tell you something else That shocked me The rate of abortions That are done by teens Muslim teens Amina Fatima Nafisa All these Muslim names that you see Who are going to the NHS To get abortions done And they're 17 18 19 I know A girl Who hasn't reached And I want to say the age is so scary She hasn't reached The age of puberty in the UK And she For the first time I ever heard I didn't even know this existed What they call Sugar daddy A man owns that young girl Muslim He owns her Wallahi She has not reached The age of consent He owns her He fulfilled He's a 40 year old man Married Non-Muslim Kafir Not even a Muslim He owns her Owns her She's She gives her money Every month he puts money in her account She comes over to him This is Hadith wala harad And to be honest Over the years of giving da'wah I came to the conclusion It might be a very harsh conclusion But I came to the conclusion now The da'wah in the UK is It is Damage control It's not stopping what's going to happen The people What you gain from there And what you lose What you lose is more Okay you're talking about the dua'at now Let's talk about the dua'at Because the prophetic tradition is Not to run away from the lands of the non-Muslims But it's actually to send people into them Like the Prophet ﷺ Send Mu'adh ibn Jabal Let me just conclude that Before you move into this one There was a man who killed 99 people The Prophet ﷺ told us in the hadith of Imam al-Bukhari Narrated from the hadith of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri إِنَّ عَبْدًا قَتَلَ تِسْعَةً وَتِسْعِينَ نَفْسًا A man killed 99 people ثُمَّ عَرَضَتْ لَهُ تَوْبًا Then he wanted to repent So he asked about فَسَأَلَ عَنْ أَعْلَمِ أَهْلِ الْأَرْضِ He asked for the most knowledgeable of people فَدُلَّ عَلَى رَجُلٍ Then he was told to go to that man فَأَتَاهُ He came to the man And he told him And the man was a worshipper He said إِنِّي قَتَلْتُ نَتْ تِسْعَةً وَتِسْعِينَ نَفْسًا I killed 99 people فَهَلِّ مِنْ تُوْبَةِ Can I? Would I have any repentance? I want to repent And the man said to him بعد تسعة و تسعين نفسه After 99 people you killed You want to repent? The man took out his sword He made him a hundred فَأَكْمَلَ بِهِ الْمِئَة A hundred people now he's killed I don't know on this earth I've never met anyone who killed a hundred people Have you ever met someone who killed a hundred people? This man killed a hundred people Then he asked about فَسَأَلَ He asked عَنْ أَعْلَمِ أَهْلِ الْأَرْضِ The most knowledgeable of people By the way This man is struggling to find somebody knowledgeable Worshipper This has been pushed towards So then what happened? فَدُلَّ عَلَى رَجُلٍ He was pointing towards a man This man was a knowledgeable man He said إِنِّي قَتَلْتُ مِئَةَ نَفْسٍ I now killed a hundred فَهَلْ لِمِنْ تَوْبَةِ Do I have repentance? He said وَيَحَكْتِ Destruction be to you مَنْ يَحُولُ بَيْنَكُ وَبَيْنَ التَّوْبَةِ Who's stopping you from repentance? You can repent if you want to But the first thing he instructed him as well He said أُخْرُجُ مِنَ الْقَرْيَةِ الْخَبِيثَةِ الَّتِي أَنْتَ فِيهَا Leave this filthy land that you've been in Then scholar is in this land But he's telling him leave He's telling him leave You shouldn't be here He goes You leave this land The man He made a decision فَقَرَجَ يُرِيدُ الْقَرْيَةَ الصَّالِحَةِ He left to go to that blessed land فَعَرَضَ لَهُ أَجَلُهُ Death came to him فِي الطَّرِقِ While he was walking فَاخْتَصَمَتْ فِيهِ مَلَائِكَةُ الرَّحْمَةِ وَمَلَائِكَةُ الْعَذَابِ This is a dispute now between the two angels The angel of mercy and the angel of punishment Then Iblis said أَنَا أَوْلَ بِهِ Iblis said he's mine He said إِنَّهُ لَمْ يَعْصِنِ سَعَةٌ This man never disobeyed me for even a second Every time I told him to do something he did it So he's mine فَقَالَتْ مَلَائِكَةُ الرَّحْمَةِ The angel of mercy said he's mine إِنَّهُ خَرَجَ تَائِبًا This man came out repenting And then Allah Ta'ala pulled the earth in favor of him And what saved that man? His hijrah Leaving that land And that story shows the difference in the types of people Because the alim, he stayed in the evil land But the one who's committing murder and he's engrossed in that I mean since I agree with you These people leave the lands of the non-Muslims Make hijrah But to make it unrestricted and say Every single person in the UK has to leave Is more of a stretch than that My question to you is You proved I can honestly say Like honestly you've actually proved That it is obligatory for those people The general mass in the UK, US I'm not going to dispute that We're going to talk in the second half of this podcast About the practicality of Where do they go and how do they go And is it even practical in the modern world But theoretically you proved that My question is Is it permissible for someone to give da'wah In the UK and the US and to remain there Giving da'wah, calling to Allah Trying to help the people Trying to correct the non-Muslims Guide them to Islam Trying to help the Muslims who are there Because they just don't have the ability to leave Is that person also sinning every single day he's there? Now this brings me to the concept of Remaining in the West A person We spoke about the land where you can stay and where you can't We spoke about the conditions for that Now the person There are three conditions If these three conditions are met And the conditions that we mentioned before You can implement your religion And you don't have the ability to leave If these three conditions with extra on it is found You can stay in that land For example You have enough knowledge to repel the doubts that's brought to you The second one is Also you have enough religion A strong religion That stops you from fulfilling your desires And the question here Is that just for that person Or is that person and his family members Everyone No no no If his family members His wife is strong like that And his kids are strong like They meet these conditions They all have to meet the conditions It's not like the man can be upright No no no But his kids are strong No no no He should leave Yeah These children can't be Because they don't have the enough religion Because they're young They don't have that The doubts are always going to be stronger than them And the third condition one is He really needs to travel to that land Maybe it might be medical reasons Maybe it might be even education There's a certain type of knowledge That he can't find in the land of the Muslims He needs to go to that land Acquire that certificate And come back from it A situation like that If he has عِلْمٌ يَدْفَعُ بِهَا الشُّبُهَةِ He has enough knowledge to repel the doubts If he's thrown at him And he also has دينٌ يَمْنَعُهُ مِنَ الشَّهَوَاتِ Has enough religion To stop him from desires Then إن شاء الله تعالى يجوز له السفر He's allowed to travel to the land of the disbelievers And he's not scared Wallahi what I've seen Is people came from Muslim countries Who go to my university by the way I know they come from Arab countries And guess what Some of them will come up to you They weren't in the class for two, three, four days They weren't studying For weeks they haven't come And whenever they walk in They see you They come up to you They say Hi I wasn't here Can you help me? I need you to help me So the question is Where were you? What happened? Oh I was clubbing Yani I was dancing I was going places I was doing all of this So this person traveled from a land of Islam And he came to this land He doesn't have He doesn't know anything He doesn't have He doesn't have enough religion To prevent him from the desires So these type of people coming here is wrong And the overwhelming majority of Muslims who came Did not have this Let's be very frank Our own parents When they came Majority of us They didn't have They didn't have knowledge To repel the doubts I brought against them Nor did they have religion That would stop them from the desires Now pay attention Imagine now What's scary is Imagine now with that said If there's If you have religion You have religion You're strong in your religion And your wife is not And you brought her to this country And then you went separate ways You went your separate ways She went this way You went It's life People may not get along Hey what's gonna happen? She loses her religion By the way the west They They hunt those type of women They give her They empower her Believe in yourself You can do it So they empower her falsely They give her this false illusion They pick her up And drop her one time She goes on depression pills And she thinks what they said is real It's not The children They are They are nurturing the children for you My mother told me a story My mother told me She said 1991 There was a Jamaican woman Who was speaking to my mother She said to me Oh where country are you from? Somalia So us little kids were running around She goes oh these are your kids huh? She said this is the first generation of Somalis First generation She said I'll tell you something She said we're Caribbeans We came to this country way before you Second and third generation in this country These kids might make it through But the ones they give birth to And the ones after that Basically she said Whale be for them Destruction And my mother every time mentions that story Reminds us of that story Like Subhanallah That woman Every time I see it Somalis didn't even reach My community didn't even reach The second generation of suffering Forget the third And we were like Yeah no I understand Okay so just to summarize what you're saying I want to make sure I got it right Please correct me if I'm wrong There are certain things you can travel to The lands of non-Muslims for For example education You can't find it in the lands of Muslims Which a lot of people do They go for university Business Is that one of the conditions? Is that one of the things that you can choose? If there's a Hajj But there are But for that person to go there Then he must meet two conditions Him and everybody he takes with him Must meet two conditions Number one He has to have enough knowledge to repel the doubts And number two He has to be strong enough on his team to repel the desires Yeah keeping in mind Shahid Where those three conditions we're mentioning Is to travel to the lands of the non-Muslims Not to live there No What about living there? No you can't live there But education could take three four years Yeah that's you For that time you can As soon as you get your degree Bam back You can't stay there afterwards What about career opportunities? Is there better career opportunities there? Muslim countries But there's not as good career opportunities But that's Look what are you looking for? What is it you're trying to attain? To provide for my family Which is an obligation upon me Your issue is the dunya right? No to provide for my family Which is an obligation upon me as per the religion The Prophet ﷺ Ibn Umar generated The Prophet ﷺ He said حَدِ زَيْدِ بِنَ تَابِتِهِ I heard the Prophet ﷺ say مَنْ كَانَتِ الدُّنْيَا هَمَّهُ هَمَّهُ Anyone who this dunya is his aspiration He wants the dunya فَرَّقَ اللَّهُ عَلِيهِ أَمْرَهُ Allah will disperse Your efforts and your hard work وَجَعَلَ فَقْرَهُ بَيْنَ عَيْنِهِ Allah will place poverty right in front of your eyes وَلَمْ يَأْتِهِ مِنَ الدُّنْيَا إِلَّا مَا كُتِبَ لَهُ And you will not receive from this dunya Except that which was written for you وَمَنْ كَانَتِ الْآخِرَةُ نِيَتَهُ Anyone who the hereafter Is really his intention and his heart جَمَعَ اللَّهُ لَهُ أَمْرَهُ Allah will bring his matters together Will unite his effort and his hard work And will put it in the right direction for him وَجَعَلَ غِنَاهُ فِي قَلْبِهِ And Allah will enrich him in the hearts And the Prophet said وَأَتَتْهُ الدُّنْيَا وَهِيَ رَغِبَةً And the dunya will come running after you The truth of the matter is that Richness is really Wallahi not pennies and pounds Wallahi is the richness of the heart The contentment Akhi, I know not one, not two I know a nice number of brothers Who've literally packed their bags And they went back to their country Somalia is a third world country It's a simple country They went there And Wallahi They're living better than you and I In terms of dunya It's also a dangerous thing Like there's not as much safety there Akhi, say that to the mother who lost her child This young girl right now recently Allah Yarhamuha Her name's called Shukri Abdi A young Somali girl You might have seen her online She died Shukri Abdi was murdered in Ya'ni Manchester The truth of the matter is that the girl was killed That's how it shows The storyline seems like that She was thrown into the river This girl couldn't even speak English She just came from her home country She got murdered not in Somalia She got killed in Manchester Somali kids are more dying in the UK Than they're dying in Somalia The bombings that happened in Somalia There's more kids dying Somali kids dying in Canada Than the youngsters dying in Somalia Let's be honest Let's be frank It's just that And I It's this feeling that we've been given This belief that we've been given People are suffering Akhi I'm telling you Wallahi Okay, so I'm a layman Muslim I can only go to these places to If I meet those two conditions Which we mentioned before And as soon as I get what I intended i.e. a degree I have to leave straight away Okay I want to really pin you down on this Someone giving da'wah full-time in the West Living there Giving da'wah I want to go back to this individual Permissible Impermissible Someone who's living in the UK To full-time give da'wah to them Again if he has enough knowledge To repel the doubts And he's also Has enough religion To not fall into the desires He can stay in that land to give da'wah Because what's he His whole life As long as it takes Okay The reason for that is because He's bringing assets to the Muslims See We don't want to lose What's happening to us is now We brought all our children Our family Our kids We guide two or three guys to the masjid And he says Ash'hadu an la ilaha illa Allah Wa ash'hadu an la ilaha illa Allah And we take shahadah from another guy And another guy Another And 20 of our children are being taken from us And we look at those four or five That came into Islam Which is good No doubt We're not going to deny that But what about the thousands That you're losing on a regular basis Who've been brainwashed In thinking that Ya'ani They are Ya'ani They are British Muslims And their values are British They've got nothing to do with Ya'ani Those children of yours You have to look into Okay What about part-time da'wah Because I think a lot of people would fall into this I'm a person who's got a nine to five I work I have a family But on Saturday, Sunday morning I open up a da'wah table in the high street And I'm calling people to Islam Can I stay in the UK because of that? The da'wah The concept of da'wah can be Ya'ani You don't have to have a table to give da'wah You don't have to have a microphone to give da'wah You don't have to be a khatib in a masjid to give da'wah That was a multifaceted thing To be done in many different ways and forms An Uber driver can be a da'i Now you're opening up to many people to stay in the UK No, but I'm narrowing it down Go on Which is, this is another problem In these professions, you're not allowed to preach It's against the law to talk about religion You've got every high street Main high street, you've got a da'wah table Talking about Islam No, I'm not talking about those ones I'm saying to you I'm trying to open the door wide And show you that the West doesn't allow us To implement our religion the way we want Muslims are not allowed I mean, I have an Uber driver for brothers And I know I'm friends I always ask them, hey, how's everything? Akhi, when you're driving Uber You must get into the concept of religion He goes, no, I can't, man It's very sensitive Unless the person opens up to me And wants to hear it And because he said, I've Yeah, but that's not the government imposing it That's his own nafs imposing it No, no, he said to me And I said, well, we're stopping you from that He goes, the issue is that I've kind of, when I first came on I started to preach They complain to the Uber Once they complain, I get in trouble Okay So, the issue of Dawah like that Doesn't really work And even this Wallah, I'll tell you, Akhi This is my point The Muslims' presence in the West Is actually not giving a good impression Of Islam as well The Muslim community are all over the place Wallah, the truth of the matter is Is that the Muslim community To a high extent I'm not going to say all of them Are all over the place The Somali community And what they're doing on the streets The gangs and the killing And the murdering And fighting over drugs and what not It's not a good impression for Islam The gang grooming that we're seeing Why young girls are being gang groomed It's not a good impression for Islam We can try to get around Argumentations here or there But the truth is We're not presenting Islam In the way that Islam should be So that's why retreat Right now, retreat Muslims You have countries Wallah, imagine this If the Pakistani community went back to Pakistan And they built their own country How many engineers do you guys have in the UK? Who studied in these universities? How many doctors do you have? How many scientists do you guys have? If all of you guys went back What kind of country can you build? All these Somali brothers Just packed their bags Now educating Went back to their countries Stayed How much can they do for their country? Okay Theoretically I'm with you Theoretically I can't really dispute what you've been saying Practically This is where the game changes This is where I bring my arguments Because to be honest with you Theory is one thing And on paper you brought some good points But it's impossible to implement that in the real world You want to go to this idealistic Muslim country Where there's no munkar And everyone's practicing You can You know There's no clubbing You know These are points that you brought by the way There's no clubbing There's no nothing There's no non-Muslims there Because you see the fire of the non-Muslim You brought in the hadith Nowadays in a Muslim country There are clubs There is alcohol Even when you send your kids to school They're non-Muslim expats You're living next door to a non-Muslim In an apartment building All of your argument falls down Because there's no practical reality to it Where should Muslims go? Where? So this I Again Phil It comes from someone who has really felt Being in a Muslim country It's totally different You see Munkar happening in a place where Islam is there And munkar is happening That's been present even at the time of the Prophet Munafiqeen were living in the midst of the Prophet Not everybody was doing what was required from them Things Munkar is going to happen We're not saying there's going to be a place Where there's munkar free No not at all Like in places Islam It's a place of khair A place of religion You have the upper hand as a Muslim We're all together I'll give an example In the UK I had a conversation with a lot of non-Muslims And how are you? How's everything? Have you ever looked into Islam? Yeah I have But it's not for me man The second When you really go deep with him He goes bro If Islam is so good Why don't you guys go back to those Islamic countries? Which is a real valid point Wallah You're Muslims Glory Happiness in this world That Islam will give you a better life He says okay you know what? Why does it not give you a better life? Why did you have to come here for? That point is not When it's a paradigm shift When you're in the The tables are turned Okay I've had da'wah opportunities with non-Muslims In this UAE The country I'm in Sheikh it's different They tell me man They I meet them very often Because I work in an Islamic da'wah organization Which is Sole purpose is to bring people into Islam Wallahi Every one of them I meet I am so thankful I've left the UK These are Steve and Michael and John and Daniel I'm so thankful I've left that country Headache This that The opportunity of Islam is very high You'll listen You know all of this Put that aside Put the dunya aside What's your purpose in life? Why? You've received all of this What do you want? Sheikh it's different It's totally different Recently there was a guy who was playing music around my area And he played loud music Went around the block I said look excuse me Do you want to listen to music? You can do if you want to But we don't want to hear it It was an English guy from the UK All of us don't want to hear it If you want to hear it Close your windows Listen to yourself Don't impose it on everybody else You know what he did? He closed the window He put the music down That's nice experiences And he was a nice guy He's not a nice guy It's just that He wasn't a nice guy? No that's not my point He was a nice guy But the point I'm trying to come to you I can never do that in the UK Because it's not It's their law I'm the guest here I have to just be like Okay, okay, okay I'm a guest And that's the waqia You see the Quwat Saitan is different I can give another example A police officer pulled me over Because I was driving fast I'm just trying to show you the differences here And he said What's the reason you're going fast for? I said honestly Really? I'm trying to go to the masjid And it was Well I honestly That was the reason I was going to the masjid I said look this is my reason I'm going to the masjid Because it's still not a good reason You shouldn't do that What really touched me Okay and I This is for me priceless Wallahi this No money can buy this for me The fact that the police officer comes out of the car And he says to me As-salamu alaykum And I say to him Wa alaykum as-salam You know the feeling of that Do you understand it? And he talks to me We have that conversation back and forth And I can tell him It's because of salah And he feels the weight of salah And he looks at me Wallahi even if he gives me that ticket Which I deserve the ticket I just got the 30 reward from As-salamu alaykum And all of these things I'm just trying to show you It's a Muslim person you're dealing with It's a Muslim country you're dealing with The other day there was two guys In the supermarket One pushed over the other guy The other guy goes Allah yada alayk He's angry at him In the UK it would have been F word B word Hani You know what I mean like Allah yada alayk means May Allah be pleased with you The truth is Wallahi the honest truth is that There is nothing like a Muslim country But even now the Muslim countries Have become so westernized So liberal Like surely there's some Muslim countries That are worse than some Western countries No I wouldn't I would never Never Every single Muslim country Is better than any Western country That's unfair That's injustice That's wrong But people go on holiday to these places Like Dubai for example They go on holiday They realize it's so liberal Women are dressed appropriately Again it's unfair to say that Because UAE is a very restricted Particular part of where you go to And you get all of that That's a particular part You go there I don't go there Do you go there? I don't even know that side of the world Just the same way That you are arguing that UK You can impact your religion There's places in the UK You can go to And there's also places where There are places where are good I mean UAE has this road and this road Whichever road you want to take My point is The Adhan is on for me The guy's looking for Munkar He's going to get his Munkar The Adhan I have it The practicing of my religion I mean my Deeni No one's stopping me No one's imposing me And saying your child has to love LGBT And your child has to agree with LGBT And your child has to No one's forcing anything on me It's a beautiful picture But it's going to come to an end Because none of these Muslim countries Give you visas and citizenship And ultimately you and your family Are going to have to end back into the UK Who said hijrah is something very easy? Who? Where did we say that? In order to do hijrah You have to get a Countries have to let you And no it's not It's hard By the way we have countries If we want to go We can go to our countries By the way who said hijrah Has to be to one Muslim country It can be any Muslim country I can keep traveling through Different Muslim countries You see? So if I get kicked out of one Muslim country I can go to another Muslim country And another Muslim country But Wallahi There is nothing like any Muslim country May Allah protect all the Muslim countries from harm Including this country right now that we're in Wallahi it's nothing like it In terms of what the UK has I saw brothers go to Egypt And they were insulting the country Wallahi they didn't Wallahi they don't really understand What they're saying Wallahi they're speaking with ignorance They're comparing Egypt and the UK together I see it as ignorance Haqiqat what I see is ignorance It's nothing the same Okay I want to return back to the point of those people Who can't Unable to leave the lands of the non-Muslims for example It's not just a simple case of Your original ethnicity is this country You go back to that particular country There are people who have deep-rooted family ties Businesses Second, third generation Muslims in the UK, the US And their life is built around them Everything is around them Uplifting that and moving to a Muslim country Is not an easy thing And I know you just said Who said hijra would be easy But my point is that The people who are able to do that are very very few And therefore you issuing a ruling on all of the Muslims Because of what a few of the Muslims can do That seems unjust There's an ayah in the Quran Where Allah Ta'ala connects hijra with jihad You can imagine the weight of that Allah Ta'ala He says Allah says Those who believe, migrated, fought For the sake of Allah Ta'ala They are the ones والذين آو ونصروا And those who gave shelter and victory They are the true believers They have the forgiveness from their Lord And provision from Allah It's amazing that Allah mentioned rizq He's going to provide for them Hijra is not an easy issue It's a very powerful issue Many of the Islamic acts that we see For example, the concept of salah Quraysh had that already The concept of zakat Quraysh already had that These concepts were already present The concept of hajj was already present These were present issues that were there The concept of fasting was already there These were concepts that were present before Islam One of the things that Arabs could never accept themselves to do Is the concept of hijra Because it was accepting defeat That's why the hadith That example was specifically used Migrating Salah wasn't used Zakat wasn't used Sawm wasn't used Hajj wasn't used What was used was hijra Hijra is hard Very hard The Prophet ﷺ when he got up And he had to leave Mecca He looked back at Mecca And he said, Wallahi I love you Mecca I love you If my people were not to kick me out of this land Wallahi I would never have left you That's his place This is his land He loves it You previously mentioned that A lot of the crime being done in the UK Is by the Muslim community You now want to take these Muslims Put them into Muslim countries Guess what's going to happen The Muslim countries are going to go down They're going to get worse and worse And due to globalization And advent of internet, social media They're already on that path of following the West anyway You're going to now drag them down To the same level as the West What have you really achieved? Which one finishes first? The broom or the earth? What do you mean by that? If you keep brushing the earth Which one's going to finish first? It's going to wear out The broom The broom, right? Yeah Because the earth is bigger Yes You can come to a community You might do things here or there You're just going to wear out The people are going to melt inside the community The community are more Hence why we're saying to the people Leave the UK Because however good you are They are more than you They influence you The ocean takes you However strong you are And you pin yourself down It will move you And coming to these Muslim environments And a lot of us A lot of us are on the concept of what? Peer pressure We actually do things Because other people are doing it We get influenced by other people I'm not saying in any way shape or form That the Muslims around the world In the Muslim countries are better And they are so good There are You might find a Muslim Who memorized the Qur'an in the UK And one who did Who's a shaitan in a Muslim country That's present There's no denying of that But what we're saying is a Muslim country And a non-Muslim country Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says فَنَجْعَلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ كَالْمُجْرِمِينَ مَا لَكُمْ كَيْفَ تَحْكُمُونَ Are we going to make a Muslim And a non-Muslim the same? Muslim and Mujrim Which is a non-Muslim here Are we going to make them both the same? Or criminal? Are we going to make them both the same? No, no we can't The believer is better The land of the believers are better Whether there's sins Whether there's this Whether there's that It's a Muslim country Okay I want to wrap up our discussion And give you a chance to summarize it But just before I do I've got a few nuanced questions These are questions that I imagine People have on their mind The first one is Someone might be watching this And be really scared Of the ayat and the hadith That you mentioned About not making hijrah And their position on the Day of Judgment If they make a hijrah From an area within a non-Muslim country Let's pick the UK An area within the UK To a better area within the same country For example Birmingham Is that classified as hijrah? And are they now free from those ayats And those threats that you warned about From Allah and his messengers or something? So if a person leaves a place Where he can't practice his religion And he goes to another land Where he can't practice his religion And that may even be a Muslim country A non-Muslim country Where he can practice his religion Okay He can practice his religion If we accept that he can And he also has the ability to migrate So he has the ability to migrate But he can practice his religion It's recommended for him to leave Okay We encourage him to leave On the condition he can practice his religion So that's actually a second question That's really someone from a non-Muslim land To another non-Muslim land Let's say China for example Where the Muslims are really being oppressed To the UK But obviously that doesn't really stand Because in the UK They can't practice their religion I'm saying that you're right The level of not practicing your religion varies Yes Yeah Some countries UK to be honest And be frank And let's be fair UK is the best western country I know you can practice your religion Okay The best so far But even then it doesn't reach the level That where it's It doesn't meet that criteria That was set by the ulama And that which they mentioned It can't meet it Okay So someone who goes from Another non-Muslim country To a Muslim country It's not hijra No it's not It's not hijra And the same applies for someone In the same country Let's say from London to Birmingham It doesn't make it These people are still under the threat That we mentioned earlier About the ayat and the hadith Okay Last question You have multiple obligations over you For example You make hijra as an obligation For someone in the UK They go They go to a Muslim country But their parents are stuck In a non-Muslim country And it's not easy It's not able for them to move They're actually excused Due to the ayat That they're not able to move They now have two obligations under them They want to live in a Muslim country Because it's obligatory upon them But they also need to look after their parents Who are becoming elderly What takes precedence Because they can't do both A large number of scholars They mentioned that if a person cannot leave The land of the non-Muslims And including that Is that he can't leave his mother there Or he's either got a court system Where the government has taken his children And he has to stay in that land in order Or his wife And him and his wife have went separate ways And she doesn't want to leave And the children are still in the UK They can't leave A lot of the scholars Believe that this is إِلَّا الْمُسْتَضَعَ فِينَ مِنَ الْرِجَالِ وَالنِّسَاءِ وَالْوِجَالِ الَّذِينَ لَا يَسْتَطِعُونَ حِيلَةً وَلَا يَحْتَدُونَ سَرِيءً They can't travel There's no way to go No place to go And that did happen to some of the people Who lived in Mecca They couldn't leave Because the Quraysh was holding them down Was bribing them Was conditioning things on them You can't leave unless you do this So some of them couldn't travel And they stayed because of that So maybe that person might fall under إِلَّا الْمُسْتَضَعَ فِينَ مِنَ الْرِجَالِ Even if you've got like parents And you fear for them That they might turn sick They might turn ill So you're waiting around Just in case that happens But that's again It comes back to the issue of Do your parents literally depend on you? Do they actually depend on you? Or are they doing their thing? They've got their life carried They've got jobs They're doing things And you have your own children You have your own life Can you stay in that land To destroy your children When in reality you know Maybe your parents May not live for too long 10 years But your children grew up in here And they're now used to this lifestyle Okay Final final question Before I get on to the summary And again it goes back to a practical question For some people who might ask Many people as you've seen Travel to the lands of the non-Muslims For education purposes And we mentioned this before That there are three conditions There's a genuine need That you can't find that education In the lands of the Muslims The person has got enough knowledge To push away the doubts And he's got enough practice in his religion To push away his desires Those three conditions What is your evidence for those three conditions? Number one And number two Who decides if I've got enough knowledge To push away the doubts If I've got enough deen To push away the desires Is that the individual himself Who just takes that decision? Or you know How does it work? You see these people are coming from Muslim countries So they're coming from Muslim countries They're coming to non-Muslim countries There's always senior people They can refer back to Their mashayikh Their teachers Their parents These are the people They genuinely go back to Like dad I want to travel to this country Or you know My local imam Who I respect and I love And who knows me Who's known me when I was young So they go to the shaykh And look Am I fit to go to these countries? Are they? Also The person knows himself The person knows himself You know if you have enough knowledge To defend yourself And if you have enough religion in you If you're in your own country You were watching movies And you were so taken back by western culture Then of course you can see from there But if you go to these countries The ocean will take you And if they go to those countries And they suddenly find They think that they do have enough knowledge And enough to repel the desires But they go to those countries And they start feeling themselves drowning They have to move back They need to make their way back Also the concept of Staying away from any place where fitna Or fasad that you're scared of These are what the whole Entire Quran is about The Quranic discourse Allah commanded the Prophet To stay with the righteous people And to be around them And also he told him to stay away from those who are Criminals and the wrongdoers If you see those people Indulge into our verses They're bringing doubts Or they're bringing problematic issues Allah is to turn away from them Also the nusus that show That the believer Is commanded to befriend Righteous people To be with the righteous people So he can influence them So all of those nusus Is the concept of Not presenting yourself to doubts Or even Not to Sit in a place where you know You cannot prevent that issue One of the strongest evidence for that Is the issue of dajjal The Prophet s.a.w. said إِذَا سَمِعْتُمْ بِهِ If you hear of him بِأَرْضٍ Place Dajjal is there فَنْآ عَنْهُ The Prophet s.a.w. said Turn and run away from that place Fitna comes We run away from it So that's the evidence For your religion And your knowledge To defend the doubt And the shahwa shubuhat Those are the evidence That you need to stay away from Places where you fear that Let's conclude With giving you the summary Of the discussion Some of your final thoughts Someone who's lived in the non-Muslim lands Someone who's lived in the Muslim lands Someone who's involved in da'wah Speaking to many people What are your thoughts As a khulasa Summary of this issue Well I want to say Allah s.w.t. statement Where he says يَا عِبَادِيَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ أَرْضِي وَاسِعَةٌ فَإِيَّا يَفْعَبُدُونَ O my slaves Allah s.w.t. He says الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا Those who believe إِنَّ أَرْضِي وَاسِعَةٌ My land is vast فَإِيَّا يَفْعَبُدُونَ Travel Dajjal he mentions He's al-Umiru bil-Hijrah They were commanded To do hijrah من الموضع الذي لا يمكنهم فيه عبادة الله Where they can't worship Allah وَلَا يُمْكِنُهُ تَغْيُلُ ذَلِكَ And you can't change it And you hijrah That you leave that land إِلَى حَيْثُ يَتَهَيَّؤُ لَهُ أَن يَعْبُدَ اللَّهَ حَقَّ عِبَادَتِهِ And you go to a place Where you can worship Allah the way he deserves Ibn Kathir also said regarding that verse Ibn Kathir r.a He also said regarding that verse He said this ayah Is a command from Allah s.w.t. To the believers To migrate from the land لَا يَقَدِرُونَ فِيهِ عَلَىٰ إِقَامَةِ الدِّينِ Where they can't establish their religion إِلَى أَرْضِ اللَّهِ الْوَاسِعَةِ Go to the vast lands of Allah s.w.t. Well I've seen so many people Who've left the lands of the non-Muslims They've come to Muslim countries They went to Saudi Arabia They live there They came to the UAE They went to other Muslim countries Malaysia These beautiful Muslim countries And guess what they did The first thing they said is Well I was living in a hole I was living in darkness Wallahi it's actually green on the other side And I also want to say brothers and sisters Wallahi you have children It's even worse for you Wallahi if you have children Save your children Wallahi they're targeting your children They're going to destroy your children The Prophet s.a.w. he told us in a hadith إِنَّ الرَّجَلَ لَتُرْفَعُ دَرَجَتُهُ فِي الْجَنَّةِ A person will be His level will be risen in Jannah فَيَقُولُ The person will then say أَنَّ هَذَا How did I earn this place in Jannah? How did I get this position? فَيُقَالُ It will be said to him بِاستِغْفَارِ وَلَدِّكَ لَكَ You got this because of your child Making dua for you Asking Allah's forgiveness for you Ibn Umar generated this من حديث أبي هريرة Shaykh Nasser r.a. authenticated it If you want your children to benefit You when you die Take them out of these lands Taking your children to nursery And letting these people So what's very You're taking them to nursery And they're teaching them And then when they come home You're putting Teletubbies You're putting this cartoon This cartoon And you spend no time with your children And when they're 18 And your child starts having problems You come to the imam And you say Shaykh imam help me I have a problem My son doesn't want to listen I've been No قَلْ قَيْتُ فِي الْيَمِ مَكْتُوفٌ وَقُلْتَ إِيَكَ إِيَكَ أَنْ تَبْتَلَّ بِالْمَأْيِ You've tied him back You've tied his hands from the back And you threw him into the ocean And you said be careful Do not let the water touch you And in other words You threw him into that society You did not equip him With enough knowledge And then you say to him Be careful Don't let the society harm you Wallahi The nursery rhymes that we memorize in school Still in our heads And what they did And he's Wallahi When I was growing up And I used to go to school And Christmas would come There was a Christmas tree in the school There was a Christmas There was a There was a post office box The red post office One in the school Where people would put their cards Wherever they want to give it to Wallahi I would look forward to that Because I would compare Eid with Christmas Eid was not anything You would look forward to Because Christmas Merry Christmas Everywhere Half price Iceland has high half price Sainsbury's have high half price Asda Subhanallah Half price Those were the times when It was so low That my mum would buy the uniform from George Asda George That's where she would get the The point I'm trying to come to All of this has an effect on the child All of that Has an effect on the child So My statement I said Might please you or not But take it With an open heart and mind It's for your own better I'm not getting money to promote A particular Muslim country But I'm trying to be as honest And as fair as to you May Allah All of us Allow our children to grow In the lands of the Muslims Ameen And embed them Shaykh al-Bani Rahimahullah said He said if my He said one of the du'as That I make for my father Shaykh al-Bani is saying this And I never ever Forget making du'a for him And the best thing he did for me He said this is the best thing My father did for me Was that he took me from Albania And he brought me to Syria The best thing he said he did for me Shaykh Muhammad Ali Adem In Ethiopia He ran away from Recently died Alayha rahmatullah He ran away from Abyssinia So he ran away from Ethiopia His country Because of the communist party He said Rahimahullah ta'ala rahmatan wasi'a He wanted to go Umrah And they were controlling the people So they said only 40 people Can leave from the city Or the village And he was the 37th person And he made his way to Umrah And he never went back And he never went back to stay there He came back after everything got better Look what he produced Look at where he taught Look So the people have to understand No one's saying Hijrah is easy You've got a country You've got a land A lot of us have homes Not one Homes we've built And when we go back to our land We're royalty Don't stay in a place where you're like Seen as a low pathetic person In a place where you're highly respected That's all I wanted to say Anything which I have said that was wrong I encourage this from me and Shaytan And Allah and his messenger Are both free from it Subhanaka Allahumma wa bihamdihi ashadu wa la ilaha illallah Astaghfirullah wa atubu ilayh
